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Unemployment benefits traditionally require a worker to be laid off to collect benefits, and so many people are not yet aware that the relief bill allows a person to quit and still collect as long as they “self-certify” that they had to quit because of the coronavirus situation. The relief bill says that staying home to be the primary caretaker of children who are out of school counts as one automatically valid reason.

And while traditional unemployment benefits pay out based on an employee’s previous income, the new benefits pay a flat $600 extra per week even if a worker’s previous job paid less.

The generous payments are temporary, however. They are scheduled to last for four months, ending July 31.

But politicians already are considering extending that end date in a follow-up relief bill. This weekend, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi wrote a letter to colleagues saying: «CARES 2 must go further… extending and strengthening unemployment benefits.»

Several GOP lawmakers, including Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., had tried to change the language in the $2 trillion-plus stimulus bill last month to remove any incentive for workers to leave their jobs in order to make more on unemployment. The effort failed.

Proponents argue that the “unemployment insurance on steroids” is critical at a time when millions are now out of work due to the restrictions in place. Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., said before passage that the bill means employers will be able to furlough workers while those workers can essentially make their “full salary” for four months.

In this image from video, Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., speaks on the Senate floor at the U.S. Capitol in Washington, Saturday, March 21, 2020. (Senate Television via AP)

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But some see a glaring downside, and are warning against an extension.

“The longer they extended it, the more they guarantee that people will remain unemployed,” Steve Anthony, CEO of Anthony Timberlands, a sawmill operation in Arkansas that employs around 750 people, told Fox News.

Anthony has already let workers go based on the federal benefits — he polled his employees to see who wanted to stop working, and has since let hundreds of employees go home and collect unemployment for more than they were making at the sawmill.

Anthony is not alone. Huge employers like Macy’s and Equinox are doing the same, explicitly noting that their people will get paid more on unemployment.

“It’s certainly good for some people,” Anthony told Fox News. “But there are a lot of essential employees out there — employees that we need to have, who might be resentful that they’re putting in 50 hours a week, and the guy sitting at home is making $300 a week more.”

Asked if he could just pay people more to out-compete the unemployment benefits, Anthony noted with understatement that: “$26 an hour is a little above the go-to rate for unskilled labor in Arkansas.”

Multiple workers reached by Fox News told similar stories.

‘The whole thing is complete BS.’

— Otis Mitchell Jr., who works in West Virginia transporting hospital patients to get medical tests, on the extra unemployment aid program

“I work in the oil fields and guys are already talking about hoping to get laid off,” a North Dakota oil worker told Fox News. He added that where his brother worked, 14 ironworkers had already walked off the job knowing they could get the benefits.

The temporary nature of the current benefit may help limit these kinds of repercussions.

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Fox News reached one Arkansas warehouse worker who had posted on social media that he would quit because the unemployment benefits were so generous. But asked by Fox News whether he had actually followed through, he responded: “No, in reality job security is more valuable. I said it more from frustration than seriousness.”

Economists say it’s too early to project how much the generous unemployment benefits have pushed unemployment higher – but say a shift could come suddenly as workers learn the system.

“People will realize both that they can self-certify as COVID-affected and qualify … and that their neighbor is already doing it, and hence they are effectively losing out by not doing it themselves,” Karl Smith, vice president of Federal Tax and Economic Policy at the Tax Foundation, told Fox News.

Some economists are calling for programs to further encourage employment.

“The first CARES bill bought us time, but now we have some time to switch to a better system. We need to be paying companies to keep workers on their payrolls but off the job,” Noah Smith, an economist and Bloomberg News columnist, told Fox News. He suggests copying Denmark’s approach, which pays employers 75 percent of employee wages in an attempt to keep people employed.

Those kinds of plans, despite involving large government action, are getting support across the aisle.

“We have got to get focused on preventing any further job losses,” Sen. Josh Hawley, R-Mo., told Fox News’ «Tucker Carlson Tonight» on Wednesday. “So I think we should do two things. No. 1 … incentivize business to re-hire every person who has been laid off because of this coronavirus emergency, and No. 2 … government ought to help cover the payroll of every business in this country for every worker under the median wage, so they can keep their jobs.”

But some economists oppose that as too expensive, and also slammed Pelosi’s idea of a further unemployment extension.

“Expect double-digit unemployment rates at least through the early summer,” Henderson said.

At the sawmill, Anthony said that he anticipates difficultly operating fully until benefits expire on July 31.

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“I can promise you — the people who qualify for unemployment, they won’t be looking for work until July 31. In some areas like ours, they’ve incentivized unemployment to the extent that we have zero applicants. Nobody on unemployment is applying to go work at a sawmill,” he said.

He added that politicians should at least stop paying people more than they’d made at work.

“I understand why you would try to take care of people and make sure that they don’t lose anything,” he said. “I don’t know why you would make sure that they get more than they had before.”

Maxim Lott is Executive Producer of Stossel TV and creator of ElectionBettingOdds.com. He can be reached on Twitter at @MaximLott.